and diane swonk, chief economist at mesirow financial. diane, start with you, was this big drop in the unemployment number a surprise or wt's goinon? >> well, certainly it was a surprise. we can see allots of volatility in this number from a month-to-month basis. we saw the big increase in employment. we saw big decrease in unemployment. but over time both this report and the other reports that's the payroll survey tend to converge. and i think that's important to remember. it's also important to remember that in general a 2/10 movement or 3/10 movement in unemployment rate actually isn't statistically significant. i know it makes the headlines but 7.8% is not all that different from 8% or 7. on a statistal basis. so i think that's also important to remember in this day, it is highly volatile with a wide range on what is really significant. >> brown: of course it makes for a big headline in a political campaign but before we head to the politics fill in a little bit more about these two surveys because it is very con sues-- confusing, the